2010 07 04 tridandisvami sri srimad bhaktivedanta narayana gosvami maharaja italy morning walk

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rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: Where is Mahrja?

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Which Mahrja?

Brajantha dsa: Late Mahrja.

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Padmanbha.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: No.

S rpad Nemi Mahrja: Sun hasn't come up yet.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: Why you are sitting there? You should come here.

rpda Mdhava Mahrja:Nemi has (said) sun has not come up yet so Padmanbha is not

coming.

S rpad Nemi Mahrja: Ka comes then Lord Caitanya and then here is the cryas. So,

each time cryas are coming and performing same pastimes after Lord Caitanya? Same, like

same sequence ofcryas?

In every brahma Mahprabhu appears, Ka appears, once in a day of Brahm. After

Mahprabhu so many

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ryas are coming. Every time the samecryas are coming? These pas-

times are similar in?

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: In where is it written?

S rpad Nemi Mahrja: No, I am asking you.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: Whether they will same comethey are not incarnation.

So, I can not tell anywhereI have not seen it. Rmnuja will come or in (indistinct), or no

Rmnuja, no Madhvcrya. What will be?

S rpad Nemi Mahrja: And what about you Gurudeva?

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: His question is like: after Mahprabhu came (others came like)

(indistinct) hkurahkuraNarottama hkura, Bhaktivinoda hkura

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S rpad Nemi Mahrja: My Guru Mahrja, you Gurudeva

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: All will come like this or there is some change? This is his main

question.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja:crya?

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Mahprabhu line

S rpad Nemi Mahrja: Ourcrya; yourcrya.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: That is also not written anywhere. I have not read in Vi-

vantha Cakravarthkura's explanation, in his books, anywhere.

Brajantha dsa: ButNsihadeva will come.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: These are out questions.

Brajantha dsa: Out of question. Out of question.

Devotee: Oh, Gurudeva. In Jaiva-Dharma rla Bhaktivinoda hkura sometimes mentions

names of Mahprabhu's associates (who were) not necessarily present in this ll when

Mahprabhu came. So, from different kalpas or? Some names?

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: This is also not written anywhere. We can not say.

Devotee: But is Mahprabhu always coming in the same (indistinct)

Brajantha dsa: Yes, that is written.

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: When Ka appeared, just after Him, in Kali-yuga, Mahprabhu

will come.

Devotee: Mah-bhgavata (indistinct)every time?

Devotee: I've heard from many speakers that when the jvtm goes to brahma-syujya he can

come back down but if he goes to I svarasyujya then the soul is

Brajantha dsa: annihilated

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Devotee: finished, annihilated. But I have also heard from Bhagavad-gt that the soul can

never be destroyed. So, I am confused on this point.

rla Nryaa Gosvm Mahrja: In a special case any brahma-syujya may come. As

Gopa-Kumara we see. He went there but not mixed. At once flew away from there. So, like this

we canbut for others as you are telling.

(rpda Mdhava Mahrja Hindi aside with rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja)

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: It may be. Who has come from I svara syujya? Can you

say?

Devotee: Is I svarasyujya real or only imagination?

(rpda Mdhava Mahrja Hindi aside with rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja)

rpda Mdhava Mahrja:Not imagination. Then what will come there? I svara syujya is

more dangerous than brahma-syujya.

Devotees aside: (because soul is annihilated).

Devotee: Gurudeva, then they say that as long as the jva is not delivered Gurudeva comes again

and again to deliver him.

Brajantha dsa: Yes.

Devotee: So, now our Gurudeva our mood here is (indistinct) and in the next life, or any other

life, when Gurudeva comes back to deliver (does Gurudeva have) the same mood as Gurudeva

because all different Gurus have different different moods toward Rdh-Ka. So, Gurudeva

Brajantha dsa:rama Mahrjathis question was asked three days ago.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: What telling?

rama Mahrja: He is saying that when Guru is coming back to deliver the disciple is it that

same manifestation of Guru? Because different personalities will have some speciality of mood.

Devotee: Yea, as Gurudeva his now mood so, with his mood is giving me something. This soul is

not delivered in this life; in next life I am again born. So, Gurudeva comes always to deliver him

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until he comes back. So, my question is: is Gurudeva's manifestation the same mood or what? In

the same mood he comes?

rama Mahrja: So, he is saying, "Is it the same mood?" rla Gurudeva, he has explained

that those Gurus who follow the line ofrla Rpa Gosvm, rpnugas, then they have that

same loving mood in serving r rRdh-Ka. So, even though that same manifestation may

not come, but as long as one is in that mood of serving rla Rpa Gosvmthen that same mood

will be

rla Nryaa Gosvm Mahrja: (to the devotee who asked the question) Are you

satisfied?

Brajantha dsa: with the answer

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: with the answer?

Devotee: Yea. Mood of Gurudeva (is) what I say. Our Gurudeva is his mood, you know.

rama Mahrja: But now

Devotee: I am not delivered in this life. All can not be delivered in the same life.

rama Mahrja: Mood meanswhat is the mood in serving in skhya, vtsalya, mdhurya,

and specifically in (the) line ofr Caitanya Mahprabhu (and) rla Rpa Gosvm those who

are rpnugas. This is that mood. Now, if it is that specific personality who is coming, what

rpda Mdhava Mahrja has said the other day, he said that if one is simple and by that sim-

plicity they have attachment to a specific manifestation of guru tattva then that specific manifes-

tation will come back for them.

Devotee: OK.

(Hindi aside)

Devotee: What's the meaning ofkmagyatr?

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: Who? Not in mass.

Brajantha dsa: Private. In private.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: You should come after taking bath and then

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Brajantha dsa: In public don'tthis is not to be disclosed. You have taken dk?

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Yes. Yes (he has taken).

Devotee: Gurudeva, in Jaiva-Dharma the Guru of Premadsa Mah

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servedNsihadeva. Why (did) he serve Nsihadeva (indistinct) Rdh-Ka.

Devotees: (aside) Pradyumna Brahmacr.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: But his aim is Rdh-Ka.

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: His aim is also R dh-Ka (but) He is living in Devapall,

where Nsihadeva, place of Nsihadeva. So, we have to give honor. Like we are doing bha-

jana of Rdh-Ka but we are also doing (the songs of Nsihadeva) but our (aim) is also

Rdh-Ka. In the same way.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: Like (indistinct) svm. His rpa (guru?) said there was

Nsihadeva but to make goal was Rdh-Ka prema. That is why he has done commentary

on rmad Bhgavatam. We, so many persons, we do the japa of Nsihadeva only to vighna-

na.

Brajantha dsa: To remove the obstacles.

rla Nryaa Gosvm Mahrja: Understand? Only to vighna-na. But ultimate goal is

Mahprabhu's line Rdh-Kaprema.

Devotee: Is it bona fide if one of our, in our sanga, somebody has (a) iva ligam inside (the)

temple room next to deities?

rama Mahrja: And they worship as Gopvara Mahdeva.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: It may be separate anywhere.

Brajantha dsa: Not in the same room. Separate room.

rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: But not in the same temple. Like Girir ja Govardhana.

We can keep everywhere.

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Devotee: Brajantha prabhu, in Gti-guccha it mentions that Lord Nsihadeva removes spiritu-

al obstacles; but what are the spiritual obstacles?

Brajantha dsa: That is not a proper translation. Uh, Mahrja?

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Yes, spiritual obstacles like we have so many anarthas this is

spiritual obstacles. This is the main thing.

Brajantha dsa: Obstacles to move forward.

rpda Mdhava Mahrja:ruci taste is not coming. All these obstacles.

Devotee: But obstacles is not ligam. It should not go in the same altar.

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Not same room, same temple.

Devotee:No, I mean same room.rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Not same room, same temple even. Not same room.

Brajantha dsa: But outside the temple they have.

Devotee: Outside temple they have.

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: Who has?

Devotee: But iva and the iva ligam is not different. Isnt it? And He is a vaiava you know.

So, the vaiava crya even on the altar, they are all on the same altar, you know: Prabhupda,

rla Gaurakiora Dsa Bbj, rla Bhaktisiddhnta Sarasvat,

Brajantha dsa: So, why not Lord iva?

Devotee: so, why not Lord iva?

rpda Mdhava Mahrja: They are in our Guru parampar, Lord iva is not in our Guru

parampar. But we respect Him more than any other

Devotees: In Rpa-Santana mandirthere is Gopvara Mahdeva.

(indistinct)

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rla Nryaa GosvmMahrja: You are from what country?

Devotee: Germany.

Brajantha dsa: He is yogi.

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